May 06, 2004
The mucky Samaritans...
Andrew Cory (a fine fellow, though we often disagree. He blogs here) put this in a comment to this post I wrote about the prisoner-abuse scandal:
...This isn’t just some PR thing, some sort of media event to spin, these are serious violations of human morality. Why can’t you just see that and say-- without qualifications-- “my country did wrong. I am ashamed”?Sorry Andrew, but I reject your argument utterly.Hell, even President Bush said that...
My country did NOT do wrong. Some individuals committed crimes. I'm ashamed of them. They will be punished. Our military would be doing wrong if it didn't seek and punish the guilty. But that still doesn't mean my country did wrong.
Making mistakes is the price of action. War crimes are the inevitable price of war. We've committed them in every one of our wars. That doesn't mean the wars were wrong, or that our country was wrong to fight them. They are the price of using human tools. Just as the price of dropping bombs is sometimes killing the innocent. That doesn't make using bombs wrong.
If you organize a police department to fight crime and make the streets safe for law-abiding people, there will always, no matter how hard you try, be some cops on the take, or some who beat-up suspects. Is it wrong to have police? Should the Mayor apologize for the sins of the city? No way. The city is doing the right thing. It's those critics who sneer and complain but won't ACT, won't get their hands dirty trying to solve problems who have something to apologize for.
Our government is doing its best, but there will inevitably be mistakes and shortcomings and crimes. That's what happens when you ACT, when you take risks and undertake difficult tasks. We are humans, we are flawed. I'll spot you guys one more: There are, I am absolutely sure, nasty war crimes being committed right now by Americans that we will probably never even know about! How's that? And am I going to apologize for them? No way. I deplore them, we should do all we can to minimize them, but the only way to prevent them is to do nothing.
And any course we chose for Iraq would have had painful human-rights consequences. Including the policy of doing nothing. I'd like to see the people who think we should not have acted apologize for certain trifling human-rights glitches that their policy (whether right or wrong) would have entailed. They should be the ones badgered by reporters. "Mr Chomsky, leaving Saddam in power would have meant prisoners still being being eaten alive by dogs, and dropped into acid baths. Don't you think you owe the world an apology?"
But of course those guys never have to apologize. They strut on the sidelines, clothed in spotless moral virtue, and sneer and carp, and undercut those who actually try to fight evil. If you fight evil you will get mucky for sure. The Samaritan who helped the man beaten by thieves got blood on his clothes and spent a lot of money and doubtless had a more awkward messy time of it than the story tells. The pompous prigs who passed on the other side of the road probably thought they were owed an apology for having their mood spoiled. (I bet they were "visualizing world peace.")
I disputed the premise, "Blessed are the peacemakers." On the contrary, it was always those who fought evil whom history remembered as the greatest in their generations.
-- Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
And if you want to see something that's much better than an apology extorted by hypocrites, go here.
Bush isn't apologizing to make Iraqis feel better. He's saying to Iraqis : this is what democracy is. Democracy doesn't require that there are no idiots; it's compromised by them, fixes it, and then continues uncompromised. That's how democracy can work even though there are idiots, say in Iraq. Clinton was always trying to please somebody.
Touchy-feely talk as gone empty on what an apology is. Here's Erving Goffman
``A further illustration of the difference between ritual concerns
and substantive ones comes from occasions of accident in which
the carelessness of one individual is seen as causing injury or
death to another. Here there may be no way at all to compensate the
offended, and no punishment may be prescribed. All that the offend[er]
can do is say he is sorry. And this expression itself may be
relatively little open to gradation. The fact - at least in our
society - is that a very limited set of ritual enactments are
available for contrite offenders. Whether one runs over another's
sentence, time, dog, or body, one is more or less reduced to saying
some variant of ``I'm sorry.'' The variation in degree of anguish
expressed by the apologizer seems a poor reflection of the variation
in loss possible to the offended. In any case, while the original
infraction may be quite substantive in its consequence, the remedial
work, however vociferous, is in these cases still largely expressive.
And there is a logic to this. After an offense has occurred, the job
of the offender is to show that it was not a fair expression of his
attitude, or, when it evidently was, to show that he has changed his
attitude to the rule that was violated. In the latter case, his job
is to show that whatever happened before, he now has a right
relationship - a pious attitude - to the rule in question, _and this
is a matter of indicating a relationship, not compensating a loss_''
Goffman's emphasis.
_Relations in Public_ ``Remedial Interchanges'' p.117-118
Posted by: Ron Hardin at May 7, 2004 01:50 AMRe: the Apology Fetish.
Liberalism is about parading one's superior virtue in public, to be admired by oneself and others.
Everything that a liberal does, from cocktail party conversation to mass demonstration, gratifies the same adolescent need; and nothing is a greater affront than the non-liberal who ignores the liberal's moral primacy - in this case, George W Bush.
When liberals demand an apology, they demand the abasement of the pretender, and acknowledgement of their own moral authority.
Posted by: lyle at May 7, 2004 02:14 AMMaybe I'm confused due to my faith tradition, but i thought apologies or requests for forgiveness should come from those who committed the acts. We can all express remorse, or sadness for the evil deeds done in the prison in Iraq. Likewise, we can praise those who are doing the right thing in bringing justice to this situation--but we don't get to take credit for that either.
And while I'm thinking about it, i, too, thought that rebroadcasting the abuse pictures was degrading to those involved, even if we can't see the victims faces. In a way, the fact that some of the faces aren't seen further dehumanizes them--can't we honor the victims by NOT showing the pictures?
Posted by: BJ at May 7, 2004 02:33 PMI can't imagine asking someone to apologize to me. But as a parent, I sometimes tell one of my children to apologize. I guess that's what's happening—certain people are telling others they ought to apologize.
BUT, such a demand would normally imply a next step of forgive-and-forget. Which is what is so totally bogus about the demands for apologies we are hearing. They are really saying, "apologize so we can tell everyone you admitted you were wrong, and rub it in for the next 30 years"
Posted by: John Weidner at May 7, 2004 03:20 PM
