October 11, 2008

"A drug lord or a stuffed duck"

I think this thought from Shannon Love is dead on about Obama....

EVEN TO HIS SUPPORTERS: Weeks Before the Election, Obama Remains an Enigma.
I think that is very true. I don't see a lot of Obama supporters who know much about his voting record or can address any of the questions raised about his radical and corrupt associations.

I've come to the conclusion they simply do not care one way or the other. Obama could be a drug lord or a stuffed duck and they would still support him.

I think that politics on the Left has become a social process, i.e., a means of group identification and self-validation. Leftists care less about the triumph of ideas and far more about the triumph of a group of people with which they ego-identify. They need their ego-identity candidate to win so that they can feel good about themselves. The character and policies of the actual candidate does not matter.

Obama serves merely as a symbol of a group aspirational identity. Only the symbol matters, not the actual individual human being. Because of this, leftists do not care if Obama the man has been through a vigorous vetting and testing that will expose any weaknesses before those weaknesses do damage to the leftist cause or the nation as a whole....

In other words, don't bother asking Obama supporters why they are voting for a man who has never accomplished anything. It doesn't even matter to them.

My prediction is that an Obama presidency will be an embarrassment to those who voted for him but are not radical Leftists. I also predict that it will NOT cause those people to start THINKING clearly. The besetting ailment of our time is people worshipping themselves, and holding no higher cause. And to those people, the outside world is not real. It is just a stage upon which the all-important self stands in the spotlight. Obama is just a prop, or a supporting character in the internal drama.

He will be discarded when no longer useful.

Posted by John Weidner at October 11, 2008 06:39 AM
Comments

This would explain why Democratic candidates who lose become nonpeople. Remember Mike Dukakis?

Posted by: Bob Hawkins at October 11, 2008 02:29 PM

They'll wake up post-election day and find out they are still themselves. That's when the fun will begin. (Well, if you're a misanthrope like me it's fun.)

Posted by: Andrea Harris at October 11, 2008 03:42 PM

You hit it.

It's gonna be a barrel of laffs. Some people deserve to suffer. At least when I have my blogging hat on I'm going to relish it. (in person I'm Mr Mild, and I pray for them.)

I saw something on Facebook by my mushily leftist friend Andrew Cory about "Will white people riot if Obama wins?" Ofgulopmph. Just wait'll our mind-control insects start drilling into his skull and beaming instructions from Sarah. He'll wish he hadn't cast aspersions on white supremacy!!

Posted by: John Weidner at October 11, 2008 08:25 PM

"Leftists care less about the triumph of ideas and far more about the triumph of a group of people with which they ego-identify."

You could change the word leftist to rightist and it would be just as true, as this is a defining characteristic of the statist mentality, which by its very nature must deal with human beings as social abstractions to be governed rather than individuals with whom to cooperate--that is, as objects rather than subjects.

As a proof point for this assertion, let's look at a "radical and corrupt association" on the part of John McCain, one G. Gordon Liddy, about whom McCain recently said "I'm not in any way embarrassed to know Gordon Liddy." As Steve Benen points out:

That’s an interesting response. Liddy is, of course, a "convicted felon" who has "acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in 'if necessary'; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a 'gangland figure' to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap 'leftist guerillas' at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis." Liddy also once famously gave his supporters advice on how best to kill federal officials (he recommended shooting them in the head because they might be wearing flak jackets).

Despite this scandalous past, McCain has accepted thousands of dollars in contributions from Liddy, attended a fundraiser in his honor at Liddy’s home, and told Liddy that he’s "proud of" him.

Also remember, Liddy can be fairly described as "unrepentant." When asked if he regretted his felonies, "A vein twitches angrily on one of his scales, but he replies in a level voice, 'No.'"

Sounds a lot like William Ayers...except, of course, that Ayers is not a convicted felon.

The point here, of course, is not to argue about whose past associations are worse, but an illustration that the statement you quote approvingly is a classic case of projection. If Obama had associated with someone with a rap sheet identical to Liddy's, you would decry this as evidence of his unsuitability for high office (after all, this is what the Ayers association is all about), but your ego-identification with the Republican Party as represented by John McCain prevents you from doing so in his case.

Mind you, with McCain, it could be said to be even worse, because he hasn't even made a pretension of disapproval. And we won't go into his connections (shared with many Republican and not a few Democratic politicians) with anti-Cuban terrorists, or Charles Keating, who ruined the lives of over 20,000 elderly people who saw the accumulated wealth earned over a lifetime of effort evaporate into thin air as a result of his malfeasance, which John McCain assiduously supported.

Posted by: Dave Trowbridge at October 17, 2008 05:41 PM

"Leftists care less about the triumph of ideas and far more about the triumph of a group of people with which they ego-identify."

Your comment is a perfect illustration of the truth of this statement.

You write as if the ideas of these people do not exist, and as if they have no bearing on the questions. And as if you yourself have no political ideas at stake here. You are acting precisely like the leftists being described.

Republicans do not consider the cases of Ayers and Liddy to be equivalent, because of the ideas that are involved.

Liddy did bad things to support principles and ideas that are good. His motives were to protect our freedoms and to fight subversion during time of war. (No, I'm not saying that excuses crimes. --that's not the issue here.)

Ayers acted, and clearly still acts, to advance ideas that are extremely evil. He is a radical leftist subversive. He wants to destroy our freedoms and create a Marxist society.

The question, to Republicans, is ideas. If we just cared about rap-sheets, we would be making a bigger fuss about Obama's fixer Tony Rezco, who is now going to prison, than about Ayers. The real question is not about who denounced who's crimes from long ago. The question is what Obama's recent and current relationship with Ayers says about his fitness to be President. And about him as a person.

Liddy is open about his ideas. Ayers is a hider. McCain is open about his ideas. Obama is a hider.

Obama has lied about his relationship with Ayers. Repeatedly. McCain does not have to lie about anything. The circumstantial evidence indicates that Obama is much closer to Ayers, including in his political philosophy, than he is admitting. Americans have a right to probe this, especially since the press won't.

The "statist" ideas you describe are, much more accurately, Leftist ideas. Socialist ideas. Individuals used as building blocks of ideal societies, and sent to re-education camps if they don't co-operate. (Your flirting with them is spiritually unwise.)

American and British conservative philosophy flows out of the Judeo-Christian belief in the immense dignity of individual human beings, who are made in the image of God. It is anti-statist, and so one can have a reasonable confidence that even a flawed politician swimming in the conservative sea will tend away from statism.

Personally, I think that hiding ones philosophy should absolutely disqualify any person from running for public office.

Posted by: John Weidner at October 17, 2008 08:58 PM
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