June 24, 2006
How many Moslems are there in India?
Dave T posted a question at this previous post, when I mentioned restrictions on civil liberties ending "when the danger has passed" in previous wars. He asks: When will the danger pass in this so-called war?
Good question! And RJ is always the place to go, for more of an answer than any sensible person would want.
Obviously there will be no Armistice, no signing of papers on the Battleship Missouri. We are in the realm of "fuzzy logic" and fuzzy boundaries, but that should not daunt us. I suspect the ability to judge those to a nicety is part of our evolutionary heritage. skills learned from assessing the situation on the savannah. For instance, we urbanites are twitchily sensitive to crime. We will walk along one block, but not the next--it doesn't feel right. And when crime is reduced, as was done amazingly in New York City under Mayor Giuliani, you read stories about how people are returning to this place or that, or riding the subway later at night...
It's the same with terrorism in Israel. The building of the wall has brought new life and prosperity to various places. People know. They go to their favorite pizza joint not because they think the danger is zero, but because they instinctively calculate that it is now too low to justify missing out on the pleasures of life.
We are making the same calculations right now about the WOT. The loony left probably imagines that conservatives are salivating over the prospect of endless war. But in fact responsible conservative opinion seems to be agreeing that we are a good way along, and maybe even at the halfway point. For instance we have uncovered several ugly bomb plots lately. That says there is still danger. But, the plots are much less impressive in skill and organization than earlier ones. Plus there's the simple fact that we have uncovered them, and also that the successful bombings since 9/11 have not been nearly as deadly as many had feared. I'd say that when we go 2 years with no new serious plots uncovered, we will all start to agree that it looks like the war is ending. And democracy itself is an extremely efficient mechanism for turning millions of people's thoughts and hunches into conclusions.
Our efforts to find terrorists hiding within peaceable countries is one front of the war...
There are two other "fronts," on both of which we have made substantial and fairly measurable progress. First, the roots of most of the terrorism are found in the despotism and hopelessness that exist in many Moslem countries. When people don't have personal opportunities, and can't vote out bad leaders, this combines with certain other frustrations common in the Moslem world into a dangerous brew. It is easy to assess this by asking: How many Moslems are there in India? (about 130 mil.) And how many have joined al Qaeda? None that I've heard of.
Hence the second front, the Administration's push for democracy and better government in the ME. It's not only a good thing, it is an effective war weapon. (Unfortunately our efforts have been sabotaged and undercut by people who claim to want "peace," and many a brutal murdering tyrant is digging in his heels and "waiting Bush out," hoping for his friends to gain the White House.)
But none the less, we are making clear progress. It is important to remember that, in its capacity as a weapon, democratization does not have to work very well. It doesn't have to be like New Hampshire town meetings. Even if the political battles get murderous, they still mean that the focus is internal and political. Even with the violence in certain parts of Iraq, we don't hear of Iraqis heading off to terrorist training camps or madrassas elsewhere. They are focused on their own political scene. And thanks to our friends at al Jazeera, the whole Arab world is watching. This movement isn't going to stop.
The third front is the terror-supporting countries. Here again, we are obviously making steady progress, and the idea that we are faced with endless war is puerile. Libya, and for the most part Afghanistan are out of the game, Saudi Arabia is cracking down, Pakistan is still a mess, but, increasingly, fighting with itself rather than easily exporting terror. (And we are learning much more now about Saddam's support of terrorists, and we now know that chopping him was a bigger victory than we realized.) The big question mark is IRAN (!) which is and long has been the #1 terror-supporting country. Until there is regime-change in Iran, the war can't be ended.
Iran is the clear and obvious next move in the game. And has been so from the beginning (remember "Axis of Evil?") The fall of the Mullahs would be a huge step towards peace, and if it happens we will probably start talking about "mopping up." But any move the administration makes will require political capital. Unfortunately, the President's political enemies are not supporting their country in time of war (although Republicans supported them loyally when they got us into conflicts that make this one look like a little girls tea-party.) SO, what does this political impasse mean? It means that the war will probably drag along for a lot longer than necessary.
Or maybe not. My guess is that Bush will act against Iran. Probably after the next elections. He's a man. And not the sort to kick such a can along to the next administration. The peaceniks will, as always, do their best for war and tyranny, but they've lost too much credibility by their deranged anti-Americanism and transparent partisanship masked with phony peace sentiments.
My guess: Iran neutralized by 2008, the conflict by 2011 reduced to a level of "background noise" that we will all, by common consent, no longer call war.
Posted by John Weidner at June 24, 2006 03:04 PMI have just one question: what restrictions on civil liberty? So air travel is now more inconvenient because of beefed-up (albeit wacky and inefficient) security? Take my pulse: the thought doesn't make it beat any harder. If you ask me, air travel is still much too easy and popular. There are too many people travelling on planes who should be down on the ground, ideally not even leaving home. The massive overuse of air travel may be great for convenience, but it's make the population more disinterested in and unaware of the countryside than ever. I read about complaints that rural areas are emptying out and cities, especially the large ones on both coasts, are filling up. Well why not, when it's so easy (despite having to pause to take off your shoes) to hop on a plain and leave? Think about it: there wouldn't be any such thing as "Flyover Country" if so many people weren't flying over it.
Maybe he means that freaks who play Big Bad Muslim terrorist are no longer ignored. Gosh I wonder why that is. Or maybe he is bitching about the dastardly bank record "spying." So it's okay that our bank records are open to the IRS, but not okay that any other branch of government make note of funds that are being sent to Syria to fund "Cousin Ahmad's wedding costs."
So far the crushing burden of our wartime civil liberties "restriction" doesn't seem to have effected anyone but terrorist wannabes and people who wear lace-up boots to airports. I'm still waiting for all the Muslims and Democrats to be rounded up and sent to Oral Roberts-sponsored re-education camps -- but things like mass imprisonments and forcing people to think in lockstep are Islamic and Leftist tricks that this administration doesn't seem interested in trying to master.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at June 24, 2006 03:59 PMOn second thought, I don't know why I bothered. I just read Dave T's new comments on the older posts and I am baffled as how to communicate with this person. It's like talking to someone through a time machine into the past -- specifically, to Monday, September 10, 2001.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at June 24, 2006 06:17 PMNow, have a little sympathy and understanding, Andrea. The time machine came from about 1973, and it's rough being suddenly jerked into the Third Millenium and trying to ignore the fact that all your ideas have been proved wrong, and Governor Reagan is a national hero...
Posted by: John Weidner at June 24, 2006 07:14 PMHeh... speaking of the earlier accusation (that the concept of praying for your enemies while fighting them was "empty words"), I didn't make that notion up all by myself, and it seems pretty standard in Christian culture, or at least it was. For example:
How white their steel, how bright their eyes! I love each laughing knave,
Cry high and bid him welcome to the banquet of the brave.
Yea, I will bless them as they bend and love them where they lie,
When on their skulls the sword I swing falls shattering from the sky.
The hour when death is like a light and blood is like a rose, --
You never loved your friends, my friends, as I shall love my foes.
-G. K. Chesterton, "The Last Hero"
Oh well, you know those Catholics...
Posted by: Andrea Harris at June 24, 2006 07:46 PMThat's good! But reading Chesterton can be dangerous, you know...
Similarly, I noticed a certain Catholic reaction to the death of ol' Zarkman: "I'm thrilled we killed that murdering torturing SOB...and I pray he repented at the last moment..."
Posted by: John Weidner at June 24, 2006 08:55 PMMs. Harris;
Here is a typical set of claims:
the President claiming for himself the power to hold people without trial or access to lawyers or anyone on the outside forever; we are arguing about the President claiming that he has the right to ignore any law he and he alone deems an impediment to his notion of what constitutes protectign national defense.Posted by: Annoying Old Guy at June 24, 2006 09:32 PM
Oh yeah, the old "foreign terrorists from a country we are at war in should have the right to our civil laws and protections" bs. Then they will chant the Geneva Conventions without understanding the contradictions in them to what they are claiming, like those people who want Latin chant in the church because "it's pretty," without bothering to learn what the Latin means.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at June 25, 2006 08:08 AMAnd "the right to ignore any law" is an abomination unless you happen to be certain newspapers whose names end in "Times."
Your Latin chant comment is very "Protestant" in assuming that these things only work on the level of words and ideas. Traditionally Catholics have considered worship a feast for all the senses.
The deconstructionists of the post-conciliar era are usually opposed to this, and prefer modern bare pale-walled "worship spaces," and the removal of all that is "pomp" --in the good sense of the word. (And of course there is a counter-movement, with some big guns on the side of the good guys.)
C and I are very lucky to belong to a parish that doesn't fit that modernist mold (Dominican, of course) and we are treated to the choir often singing various bits of the Mass in Latin (with English in the bulletin). Masses form an amazing amount of Western musical culture. Awesome stuff. (The contemporary masses are the best attended, but still there are a ton of people of all sorts at ours.)
Posted by: John Weidner at June 25, 2006 09:11 AM
"Your Latin chant comment is very "Protestant" in assuming that these things only work on the level of words and ideas. Traditionally Catholics have considered worship a feast for all the senses."
I know that. I should have qualified that by adding that the people who want Latin chant in the church are people who don't even believe in God; I'm talking about avowed atheist and "lapsed Catholics" who talk about the beauty of traditional church ceremony while at the same time dismissing the "meaning and ideas" behind the ceremonies. Like going to a feast and eating only the dessert.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at June 25, 2006 09:41 AMI get you. Hitchins comes to mind. But he's in the crosshairs.
Posted by: John Weidner at June 25, 2006 09:51 AM
