And if you'd wingnuts would only start telling the truth, perhaps we'd actually win the war against terrorists, while simultaneously getting out butts out of the war of choice in Iraq...

I have absolutely no doubt in 20-30yrs, people will look back on the Bush Admin as likely the worst and most dishonest presidency in American history!

Yap yap yap yap yap.

I suggest that Zoomie and his ilk are foreigners -- foreigners to reality.

Hey, Andrea, it ain't us liberals who proclaimed that the other guys' problem was that were living in the reality based world! Or so said some GOPers a few months ago to explain why their view of the world so often was so out of whack with reality...

Did you catch the NYTimes item on how DOD and Rumsfeld have dropped using "global war on terror" in favor of "a global struggle against violent extremism"? It also included quotes from Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman/JCS, from a speech at the Nat'l Press Club on Monday where he said he had "objected to the use of the term 'war on terrorism' before, because if you call it a war, then you think of people in uniform as being the solution." He said the threat instead should be defined as violent extremists, with the recognition that "terror is the method they use."
Although the military is heavily engaged in the mission now, he said, future efforts require "all instruments of our national power, all instruments of the international communities' national power." The solution is "more diplomatic, more economic, more political than it is military."

Wow...any moment now he'll be calling for indictments and psychotherapy, followed by a round of Kum-ba-ya!

Nope, still no calls for indictments, zoomie.

But that's alright---it wasn't indictments that ended the war against Japan, or brought the North Koreans and Chinese to heel in Korea, either.

But then, in your world, perhaps the Taliban were just this far from handing Osama over on their own?

In my world? Funny, there's that reality problem again, since I thought we were both in the same world...but perhaps you aren't?

In "my world", going after the Taliban for shielding Osama, and going after Osama and al-Quida was 100% correct! Cheered them on!

But - pulling our troops out of Afghanistan just (by all reports) days from catching Osama to ready troops for an invasion of Iraq, that I opposed. BIG MISTAKE!!! The result is Osama's new name: Osama bin-Forgotten-by-Bush!

And do I need to remind you that indictments (followed by convictions) worked for the 1st WTC attack and the Millenium bomber? Did you read the sentencing Judge's statements when he sentenced the Millenium bomber to 22yrs? In which he blasted the Bushies, pointing out we had little difficulty using the US Constitution and our legal system against people...until Bush came along. Suddenly, he can arrest anyone, anytime, for any reason (or so Gonzalez's memo proclaimed), and hold them without charges for as long as he wants! Reagan or Bush-1 would have called a supposed "democratic" ruler claiming such rights a tin-pot dictator! And the fact that almost all conservatives happily support this only demonstrates conservatism is morally bankrupt and ethically devoid of values (and I mean REAL values, not just proclaiming a belief in "smaller less intrusive gov't" one day, then rushing off to Florida the next to interfere in someone's personal business the next...that kind of value is called "hypocrisy").

Yup, that indictment approach certainly worked wonders zoomie.

Lessee:

WTC '93.

Followed by attacked on two US embassies, and an attack on the USS Cole.

Finally, an attack on the WTC again.

Yup, those indictments sure deterred anyone from attacking the US.

Do you seriously believe ANY approach will defeat terrorists??? If so, you do live in another galaxy, don't you...

You probably missed it (GOP President, so you just ignore the bad stuff), but we had terrorist attacks on Americans in the '70s, in the '80s, in the '90s, and in the '00s. Remember Beirut? Any memories of the bar in Berlin frequented by US Army types? But here you guys go, selectively pretending it started in 1993 and continued to 2001, and even then was Clinton's fault even though he was long out of office.

But why would you care? You're modern conservatives! All is right, if done by a GOPer. Suspend the Constitution, assume monarchal powers, tell the rest of the world to take a hike...

Did you catch Dumbya last week announcing we're going to violate the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty we signed in order to provide nuke technology to India (who refuses to sign the NNPT)? It was a darling moment, in which the press pointed out he could only do it if US law and international treaties were changed, to which GOPers said "With pet poodles controlling Congress...not a problem!"