July 01, 2005
"This time next year..."
Alan wrote, concerning Bush's speech:
...In particular he had nothing to say about the Shiite versus Sunni conflict within Islam, into which the US has now blundered with little sense of strategic purpose. From sectarian strife in Pakistan to political murders in Lebanon, Sunni terrorism has one common denominator: its financial and ideological impetus comes from the Wahhabi sect that rules Saudi Arabia.
The car-bombers of Iraq are not just 'foreigners' as the President dubbed them. This is another evasive euphemism, like 'terrorists.' The suicide killers are Sunni foreigners. Shiite Iranians are not murdering Iraqi civilians....
I happened to read that just before I read this, from the Mark Steyn interview:
...There’ll be other changes with the Iraqis in the driving seat, rather than a Bush Administration that has to keep one eye out on whether Dick Durbin’s going to blubber all over the Senate floor again. Baghdad is likely to be far less squeamish about its enemies than Washington is. I don't just mean in the sense of that TV show they have over there, the one where they broadcast the interrogations of captured insurgents, which is the only reality TV show I enjoy watching. I'm also thinking of the Syrian border, where Iraqi troops are much more likely to exercise their right of hot pursuit than the Americans are. This time next year, it could be Iraq destabilizing Syria rather than the other way around...
Ooooh, let it be so!
Tough talk is pleasing, but what are we doing? What's Bush doing? Well, smack in the heart of the mostly-Sunni Arab world, we are creating, what? A Shi'ite democracy, with great economic and human potential, with huge oil reserves, with, if our training succeeds, the first real army in a modern Arab nation. We're creating Iraq, and we're training Iraq. If I were a cynical person [delicate souls should stop reading here] I'd say the reason our troops are in Iraq is to attract terrorists. Not only to kill them, but also to teach Iraqis to hate them.
We are, I think, (hope, suspect) creating new allies. Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan...especially Iraq. "This time next year." Maybe. Maybe the Saudi border too. Alan's Shi'ites are passive, are people who get killed. But there's no reason it has to stay that way. Building the Iraqi Army has been painfully slow, but it seems to be happening.
Update: Iraqi blogger Shirko (link thanks to Michael Totten) demands regime change in Syria. Iraqis have lots of good reasons. As do lots of Syrians. Advice to President Bush. The best way to learn something is to teach it. A good confidence-building exercise for the Iraqis: Destabilize Syria, then teach them how to hold elections and how to try and hang former tyrants.
Umm, Alan doesn't know what he's talking about with Lebanon at all. He's way overgeneralizing. In Lebanon it's Alawites (the Assad clan) and Hezbollah (Shi'ites) doing the killing, whereas the Sunnis are the responsible democrats led by Hairi, who was assassinated. The assassinated Hairi was a great friend of the Saudis. Sunnis are the majority oppressed by the minority Alawites in Syria, just as the majority Shi'ites were oppressed in Iraq by minority Sunnis. The Iranians certainly help fund Hezbollah and other Shi'ite terrorists in Lebanon, too.
Posted by: John Thacker at July 1, 2005 09:27 PMActually John, I do know about all that, but one can't always provide full context for every comment, or the digressions would be infinite. Your point is valid. There are local rivalries and treacheries, alliances of enemies, intrigue of every sort. Lebanon is exceptionally complex. But I think my broad point is also valid, even if incompetely argued.
John, I wrote a much larger post on Iraq yesterday. It got linked by Salon, which has brought the left's nigglers and quibblers upon me. I don't regard the Shiites as passive; indeed they have been remarkably steadfast.
Posted by: Alan Sullivan at July 2, 2005 08:31 AMSalon, cool. "Nigglers and quibblers," yes, with nothing positive to contribute...
I was oversimplifying your positions of course. Anything to hitch a blogpost on...ruthless, us bloggers....
Posted by: John Weidner at July 2, 2005 09:30 AM"Well, smack in the heart of the mostly-Sunni Arab world, we are creating, what? A Shi'ite democracy, with great economic and human potential, with huge oil reserves, with, if our training succeeds, the first real army in a modern Arab nation. "
Might I point out that we are also creating a Shi'ite democracy right next door to a Shi'ite theocracy whose subjects are just a tad restive?
Posted by: Kathy K at July 4, 2005 08:35 AMMust be just a crazy accident. Bush, of course, has "little sense of strategic purpose."
Posted by: John Weidner at July 4, 2005 09:12 AM
