June 19, 2005
When you hear "we're for peace," this is the end in mind...
This quote is taken from PowerLine:
Marines on an operation to eliminate insurgents that began Friday broke through the outside wall of a building in this small rural village to find a torture center equipped with electric wires, a noose, handcuffs, a 574-page jihad manual - and four beaten and shackled Iraqis...
..."They kill somebody every day," said Mr. Fathil, whose hands were so swollen he could not open a can of Coke offered to him by a marine. "They've killed a lot of people."...
...His town has always been a good place, he said, but the militants have made it hell.
"These few are destroying it," he said, his face streaked with tears. "Everybody they take, they kill. It's on a daily basis pretty much."...
- This is what "liberals" are FOR.
- This is what "peace activists" are FOR.
- This is what Senator Durbin is promoting.
- This is what the fatuous fools who salivated with delight over Abu Ghraib, and made it the top news story in the world, want to help continue.
- This is what the bozos who hype "Korans at Gitmo" stories want to have happen--they want Moslems to be tortured and murdered by Islamist terrorists. They are FOR it!
- This is what you get when you "Visualize World Peace."
- This is what the Archbishop of Canturbury, and a million other brain-dead lefty clergymen are FOR, when they prate about peace.
At the end of WWII, our GI's, filled with righteous anger, forced large numbers of German citizens to tour concentration camps. (Unfortunately there was no chance to march the commie sympathizers through the Gulag, or make the Vietnam War protestors see Pol Pot's shambles or dying Boat People.)
I only wish that right now all our appeasers and Kerry supporters and "reporters" and "Amnesty International" frauds could be rounded up at gunpoint and made to witness the real tortures and murders that they are aiding and encouraging.
Posted by John Weidner at June 19, 2005 09:34 AM | TrackBackRe: "At the end of WWII, our GI's, filled with righteous anger, forced large numbers of German citizens to tour concentration camps."
In at least one case worse was done than this. http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/SoldiersKilled.html
describes the execution of about 50 concentration camp guards by soldiers of the US seventh army. This was undoubtably a war crime (no one was ever prosecuted) although the guards certainly deserved it.
The history of the US armed forces in WW2 is full of oblique references to friendly-fire deaths caused by incompetence and negligence and unneccessary deaths by enemy fire caused by the same.
Yet at the time the republicans made no effort to use these circumstances to undermine the war effort and demonize Roosevelt. Their reasoning was simple: they wanted to win.
If you want to turn a questionable action in wartime to partisan advantage, you strip it of context, as Senator Durbin did in his speech last week.
Your theme in this and similar posts seems to be that if one does not approve of American excesses or abuses, one therefore approves of the excesses and abuses of those who oppose America. This is, of course, utter nonsense, so I will pay you the compliment of insisting that it cannot be what you're intending to say. Not being gifted with your redoubtable powers of mind-reading, which enable you to search the hearts and minds of those you disagree with (and in most cases have never even met) and discern their true feelings and motives, I would like to inquire further in order to understand your actual message--and perhaps, in the process, using the rhetorical art, illuminate to you what someone who knows, likes, and trusts you nonetheless hears (and feels) when he reads a post like this.
So, three questions, to be answered yes or no, and a bonus inquiry:
1) In his Floor Statement, Senator Durbin reported the following statement by an FBI agent:
"On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold. ... On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor."
Question: Do you approve of these degrading practices? Yes or no?
2) In the next paragraph of his statement, Senator Durbin states:
"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings."
Is this statement true? Yes or no?
3) You say that "I only wish that right now all our appeasers and Kerry supporters and 'reporters' and 'Amnesty International' frauds could be rounded up at gunpoint and made to witness the real tortures and murders that they are aiding and encouraging."
Deborah and I both voted for John Kerry. We support and donate to Amnesty International. We stand foursquare with the "liberals" and the "peace activists" and Senator Durbin and the Archbishop of Canterbury and everyone else who is horrified at the revelations from Abu Ghraib, Baghram, and Guantanamo, regarding these practices as unworthy of our country. Do you truly want to see both of us rounded up at gunpoint? Yes or no?
And the bonus question: when they put Deborah and me on a truck for shipment to a re-education camp, how will your post sound to you then?
Posted by: Dave Trowbridge at June 22, 2005 09:21 PM
